TV Icon Bill Cosby Feels NBC & Netflix Wraths Amid Sexual Assault Accusations

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1. lol not our conscious bill

2. Molly in her red wine… She ain’t even kno it

3. One white woman cries rape, & the whole world looses its mind. Smh…

   • loses*

4. damn . . what a way to go out.

5. Haha That’s what he get for coonin! Not tryna kick a man while he’s down, but he’s spent much time denigrating young Black men for sagging their pants or their use of ebonics. At least they weren’t being accused of rape every other day. Ye shall not judge Billy.

   • You don’t thinking sagging is coonin tho?

     • No. I think teenagers in general, but particularly from the inner city marginalized communities, have always set out to differentiate themselves from the dominant society as a means of rebellion. A way of rejecting or rebelling against the fashion trends, speech, walk, and overall way of life associated with those who they feel discriminate against them and have devalued their lives. Like if members of the dominant society typically where their hat forward, members of the ostracized community will wear theirs backwards or sideways. If members of the dominant society wear their pants tight, all the way up, like highwaters, then members of the ostracized community will do opposite and sag or wear theirs baggy. If members of the dominant society wear their hair cropped and close cut, brothers might start wearing dreds orgrowing their hair out. I think it’s a form of rebellion.

       Before sagging pants Blacks were profiled and shot down by cops (See Denzil Dowell and Bobby Hutton). While it looks silly you have to keep in mind people of yesteryear thought the fashion trends of Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin and others during the hippy era was reprehensible. The whole tie dye shirts, lamb chop sideburns, and all that. Sagging pants is this generations way of distancing themselves from their elders.

       • foh …. baggy pants are one thing but having your pants down under your ass with your drawz all out, is just stupid!

         • It’s a fashion choice that looks silly to many. Nothing more nothing less. It isn’t indicative of ones intellectual capacity, behavioral tendencies, personality traits, or character.

         • But we live in a society that judges books by their cover so all that jive you talking is falling on deaf ears until you can change pre judgmental attitudes

         • And that’s what we should do. Challenge the status quo. Fight the status quo. The lazy ones are the ones who say “Well this is how it is and how it’s been there’s nothing you can do”. Nah, that’s just laziness and cowardice. People always talking about not letting the white man do this or that, but everyday you let him judge your attire, your apparel because he’s more powerful than you.

           When have you seen a Black leader come out and criticize the fashion trends of young whites? To criticize the goth culture? When Kurt Cobain had kids in flannels with ripped/torn jeans sure that looked dirty, but how often were America’s young white youth stigmatized? How many laws were passed to fine young grunge kids? None.

         • Stop bringing whites into this when they’re not the minority and have white privilege on their side

         • Lol You keep proving my point inadvertently. By acknowledging that whites have “privilege” on their side is to admit whites have the freedom to expess themselves how they want without scrutiny or perpetual condemnation, a privilege not afforded Blacks. Well, I am NOT going to perpetuate the status quo where it is uneven and I will not judge young brothas. There is nothing greater about a white kid to where they should be allowed a freedom that Black kids are denied. Keep losing sleep over sagging pants while wall street execs plot the next financial meltdown and the government decides which country to invade next.

       • Except that no. 1, its the previous generation’s fashion trend (Gen-x), and also there was a certain style-and yes intelligence imo about they way Hendrick, Morrison etc went about establishing a fashion trend. Sagging pants just seems lazy and dysfunctional not some eccentric expression of youthful freedom.

         • he tried to use names of entertainers, who’s talents over shadowed their choice of clothing, as counter examples tho’ …… ……. lol

         • You just proved my point. So if the pants sagging kids are extremely talented society wouldn’t be talking about their pants right? That goes to show it has nothing to do with principles, morals, values, blah,blah,blah, if people would be willing to overlook their fashion choice once they in essence “proved themselves” valuable.

         • Kurt Cobain’s grunge style was dirty and lazy. The punk rock look is lazy and dirty. Ripped and torn clothes. Messy hair. All that looks unsightly. How many people came out to stigmatize those white youth for wearing torn shirts, ripped jeans, and for not cleaning their hair. The truth is the microscope is always on Black males for something or other and it’s not up to us to bow down and change for societal acceptance or white approval. It’s up to society to not judge people by the color of their skin OR the style of their clothing and judge them solely by the content of their character.

           Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison’s style of dress is accepted posthumously. In light of their achievements and because they have been immortalized as legends and icons, but during their day the conservative movement found their style of dress lazy and dysfunctional whereas we regard it as an eccentric expression of youthful freedom.

           Truthfully it is the stigmatization of the Black male. We glorify, lift up, and praise one of the most known pants saggers:Tupac!! People who judge the pants saggers of today sound exactly like Delores Tucker and Jesse Jackson who came out in force against Snoop and Tupac in the 90s. It’s the same thing. It’s no different just because we like Snoop and Pac. If you don’t judge them for sagging and can overlook their fashion choice because they display talents in other areas we should do the same for the youth. Praise their talent and achievement and try to develop that instead of staring at their boxers lol

         • We’re not talking about “white approval”, we’re talking about OUR approval. And judgment is a very necessary thing in society. You can’t claim they’re just expressing themselves then condemn someone for noticing their expression. That “why are you looking?” crap is a weak rebuttal. Walking crab legged with your ass hanging out might be a rebellious expression, but it can be judged as either stupid, creative, eccentric, lazy etc, just like any other form of communication. The youth don’t hold back their judgments. Particularly on how they feel about any rapper older than 35 lmao. But those of us with more life experiences should just stfu? May all laws should be thrown out as well if the youth declare them too oppressive or judgmental…attorney.

         • Where did I say you should shut up? You arent understanding that your opinion of their style of dress should have no bearing on how they are regarded or treated. No fashion choice or trend should be considered when evaluating a person’s character unless that fashion trend deliberately and actively promotes a hate driven message. Judge them if you will, but like Coon Cosby has proven you will likely see no change or positive results from your futile efforts. Let them be kids and attack the system that judges them, not their pants.

         • So sagging pants is a way to “..attack the system….”? Lmao?! A system that wants them to be unintelligent, reckless and…..”futile” in their efforts? And speaking out against it is only pointless bc black folks as usual can’t separate productive rebellious efforts from ones that actually harm us or are “futile”. Its that mentality that lead many of us to believe that gang banging & drug dealing is somehow “beating the system” when actually those lifestyle choices are actually a result of the system…..along with the dress code that accompanies them. You know the ones that are birthed from jail culture-like sagging pants. Lets not pretend showing your draws in public is harming the system in anyway. And maybe you haven’t notice they keep that mentality way into adult hood-30’s….40’s when does their “pass” get revoked…at 50? So sagging pants is equated with a black power movement like in the 60’s or a civil rights movement…or hell even a “fuck the police” or “fight the power” song? If no, why would you even type that…..I’m not going to keep going back and forth, bc I’ve ran across this type of reasoning before, and I realize that unfortunately you believe your defense of this is somehow protecting them from oppression of some sort. When all you’re doing defending their right to continue to downward spiral into more dysfunction. Why not teach them a more effective way to express themselves and be true rebels against the system. Or they can just sag their pants rebelliously while they buck dance for a room full of white executives-Bobby Schmurda style. I’m done, SMDH.

         • You not making sense. I said we should stop attacking their pants and WE should attack the system. I didn’t say sagging pants is the attack on the system. I’m saying those who have the knowledge, the courage, and the good intention should attack the system where it has proven unjust, iniquitous, corrupt, and racist. No one said sagging pants is the attack on the system.

         • What makes you think those of us who don’t like the concept of sagging pants are pro-system in anyway? Who’re you then to pass that judgment based purely on that, if we can’t make any assessment on anyone based on how they dress?

         • Youkeep drawing conclusions that are off base. I dont believed I i plied you are pro system yet you are reinforcing the system’s efforts towards stigmatizing young Black men by going after one demographic for a fashion trend you don’t find gratifying whilst ignoring the many others (the white kids with stretched earlobes, dyed hair, torn clothes, tattoos everywhere, the goth kidswith chains, spiked neon green hair, etc.) The system has pereptually gone after a particular demographic far more aggressively than all others and to pretend that’s not the case is wilful ignorance. The deep seated problems in theBlack community most definitely do not begin anywhere near to the fashion choices or slang. The problems that produce deviant behavior or so called pathologies are present before the person wearing the sagging pants is born.

         • Why should I concern myself with white culture and white teenagers? So no black person can be criticized even by black folks until we precede it with criticism for all the things about white culture we don’t like? That’s ridiculous. Of course it doesn’t begin with fashion or slang, but name one aspect of negativity or deviant behavior in our culture is open to criticism without someone using that “its not their fault, is the system” deflection. We know the system is never going to change. If so by what means do we change? Politics? Peaceful Protest? Armed Revolution? Any of that is either easily neutralized or isn’t feasible. Its not in their interest to change it. The best we can do is police ourselves. You keep saying I’m drawing off based conclusions, well then its because I don’t see your point. What exactly is it? To change the system THEN work on black folks?

         • You should be concerned with the uneven distribution of justice. That one group is allowed to express themselves regardless of their fashion choice while another is demonized and stigmatized for doing the same thing is a gross injustice.

           To analyze and critique the system is not a deflection. It’s where the problem starts. Punk rockers and grunge kids were displaying “deviant behavior” with their fashion styles and trends, but I don’t believe they faced the same level of stigmatization as young Black men. As far as the system never changing that defeatist attitude is why racial inequality and injustice prevails. People are complicit with the perpetuation of the status quo throug compliance and lack of inaction. “Oh there’s nothing we can do” is what allows the system to scrutinize, patrol, and profile certain demographics with little resistance. Because people with that never change mindset allow it to remain.

           Police ourselves is NOT the best we can do. To do that is to allow racial disparities to persist. It’s to allow media and law enforcement and government to target young Black men. If enough of us stopped being scared we could really impact progressive change.

         • So once again black folks can’t criticize the behavior of themselves, black teenagers in particular until its preceded by criticism of white culture, and a dethroning of the system? Or we can’t do it bc the system isn’t fair to us/them. You don’t realize how insane that is? I knew you were going to go with the “stop being afraid” rebuttal. Realizing that you don’t have the tools to accomplish a task or goal isn’t fear its being a realist. No one wins a war on bravery alone, that’s foolishness. The only way to even begin to challenge the system is to get more black folks on the same page, but that’s impossible without some standard of behavior that’s upheld. That’s why soldiers in armies wear the same uniforms, to show they are of the purpose/goals.The reason why grunge rock or whatever isn’t as harmful to white folks is bc their numbers easily supersede whatever dysfunction some of their youth might have. Their children also are more prone to grow out of those phases, while black men sag their pants until they’re a half century old. Its not just an “expression” its reflective of a lifestyle- birthed out of jail culture and a state of mind that imbeds itself in the psyche of every generation. And its been this way for a very long time now. Comparing criticism from black folks to criticism from white media makes absolutely no sense. Not only are the intentions completely different, blacks arent systematically oppressing other black folks. And dont say “That’s not what I said” bc in comparing the two you essentially ARE. Would you say white folks saying nicca is the same as someone black saying it? Bc black teenagers don’t think so. I’m done.

         • “Realizing that you don’t have the tools to accomplish a task or goal isn’t fear its being a realist” But we do have tools and coming together we’d have more. You are simply intimidated by the size of the task.

           “The only way to even begin to challenge the system is to get more black folks on the same page, but that’s impossible without some standard of behavior that’s upheld”. So what needs to be upheld before we can mobilize is our pants? Get real.

           Many Black men grow out of that phase. Give me an exact percentage of the amount of men who as adults dress the exact same way they did as children. I have NEVER seen a pants sagger past the age of 35 in my LIFE. At least to my knowledge. Truthfully, as I live in a predominately Black neighborhood currently, I haven’t seen any of the brothers around here expose their boxers. And btw did you have a problem with Tupac doing it? It didn’t stop you from buying his records and supporting him did it? So therefore it IS possible to come together in a show of solidarity without pulling our pants up first.

           “Comparing criticism from black folks to criticism from white media makes absolutely no sense” Actually it does make sense. Media puts out harmful images of Blacks and says that the reason Blacks are dehumanized is because they dehumanize themselves by their fashion choices. Elder Blacks concur (even if they felt this way beforehand) and they then start bashing Blacks. They run parallel to each other.

           You were done a long time ago. Everything after was arguing for arguments sake. Peace.

         • I like the way you pretend to have made a point, while not providing any real rebuttals to anything I’ve said. Then you pretend to know exactly what my state of mind is, such as what I am afraid of. All the while rehashing the same stuff that I’ve already answered. Yeah you definitely are a lawyer.

           How can I possibly give you a percentage of black men past the age of 35 that still sag their pants, as if that data is collected? Obviously Im basing it on observation. Lets not be silly.

           Not sure why you’re trying so, so, so damn hard to create this straw man argument w/Tupac.. What’re you trying to say that if I bought any of his albums, it means I condone everything he did. I’m sure if I spoke of the things that he did that I didn’t agree with, you’d be quick to tell me how Im just as bad as an oppressive, unjust, racist system & society that we live in. All the while saying, that’s not what you said.

           Yes you should mobilize your pants, the same way you adjust every other aspect of your life and presentation is important “lawyer”; were you just joking and being silly again?

           I repeat again something you haven’t provided a true rebuttal for: You really believe sagging pants, a way of dress birthed from prison culture, a culture birthed from the same racist, oppressive justice system you CLAIM to want to overthrow is healthy? That its insignificant, simply because its an “expression” of youth. Yet you claim expression is important?
           Don’t crips wear blue? Bloods wear red? Soldiers & cops wear uniforms? How you dress says a lot about where you are mentally. Do you believe in white jesus too? If you say one has nothing to do with the other-well that says a lot.

           And YES when you dehumanize yourself, when you don’t respect yourself it ENCOURAGES others to do so. Thats so damn obvious, I just know you aren’t disputing that. People will treat you with more respect according to how you carry yourself, EVEN when they don’t want to like you. They feel compelled to do so. Reference that scene from Malcolm X outside the police station. (And no Im not an NOI advocate, just providing a visual for what Im describing)

           Saying what WE do that’s anti-productive and stupid has nothing to do with siding with our racist society-altho Im sure some blacks have. However you cant possibly PREJUDGE everyone by that. You act as if someone is advocating creating laws to lock them up for showing their ass in public. What we’re saying is there’s obviously something wrong, lets address it. You’re saying lets just tear down the system first.

           Tear down the system with whom? And replace it with what exactly? How does a minority with no allies in this country do that? With sheer will of force or determination? Just being BLACK and BADDDDD MAN. What resources do we have to accomplish this? OH but to state this is “intimidation” Yet none of you types that say this can neither explain how to get this done or provide an example of this EVER happening in history. Please convince me. It makes much more sense to create our own society whether here IF possible or somewhere else IF possible. Its more feasible then trying to beat the system with….paper work…protesting…….armed warfare. Your way will always bind us to white folks who will ALWAYS attempt to undermine any progress we make, with many more resources at their disposal. THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Once again I KNOW FOR A FACT you cant provide any sensible details on how to actually overthrow this system under the circumstances we’re under. Ironically the youth will never take YOU serious when you even try to convince them its possible. They create their own society based on gang/prison culture to feel powerful. I’m saying we actually have a better chance of creating another Black Wall Street-since we can protect it better. But Im sure your only answer is going to include some fake bravodo about only having the nuts to try to overthrow the system.

           Are you trolling or just being a lawyer? Meaning you want it to appear as if you’re making great points and actually getting the better of this discussion, even if you aren’t.

           Whats really funny is that you yourself really BELIEVE in the system. That’s why you’re a lawyer. You believe with the right paper work, with the right amount of protesting, with the right amount of democracy at work, the white man will finally give up and say, “You boxed me into a corner, you win”. Hilarious.

           There’s so many more points I can make. But that paragraph right above this let’s me know not to waste my time.

           So you go ahead and prepare your closing argument, I know how important it is for lawyers to get the last word.

           (Btw would you advise young black men to show up in criminal court with sagging pants? Nevermind I might not even comeback to this)

           PEACE

         • You aren’t at all understanding any of the arguments I made. Either that or you’re arguing for argument’s sake which I’m not about. I’ve made my points clear. Debate yourself if you’d like. Peace.

   • Oh so, he’s a coon because he’s campaigning for African American teenagers to put higher priorities on education, self-respect, and self-improvement, and for the black family to educate their children on these things as well?! But, you’re in here defending pants hanging off your ass?!

     • Haha you funny

       He’s a coon for being overly critical about superficial aspects of Black male youth. His talks of self respect and improvement are nothing more than berating sessions in which he condemns and further denigrates ad stigmatizes Black male youth. Why doesn’t he teach them law? Encourage them in the ways of Malcolm X, Huey Newton, George Jackson, WEB DuBois and others? Why not spend that time teaching them history to instill pride in themselves? Why not speak with them and have a conversation instead of talking AT them about how fucked up they are? You never get through to people by counselling them on how fucked up they are. You show them better and extend tough love with compassion and kind instruction.

       He’s also a coon because he keep the focus on the victim instead of pointing towards the system or being critical of institutionalized racism. All the focus goes to pantssaggers lol

       • Have you ever heard one of his commencement speeches?! Have you ever seen the Cosby show or a Different World tv shows?! There are positive messages and valuable lessons in every episode! Black leaders, civil rights, racism, and everything pertaining to black experience in white America! Hell, he even dropped jewels at the end of Fat Albert cartoons. You’re so hung up on one speech of him keeping it all the way 100, in which he spit straight truths, that you’re blind to everything else positive he has done over the decades! But, you go ahead and keep strutting through life with your pants down blind to what’s really real!

         • It ain’t about what you did years ago, it’s about the approach you’re taking now. That’s like those Republicans who say “Why don’t Blacks love us? We’re the party that freed the enslaved! We’re the ones who fought to end slavery and pass civil rights legislation”. Yeah like a hundred years ago! The good you did for me yesterday means squat if you treat me like shit today. Cosby of today has been consistently condemnatory of young Black men.

         • You’re reaching and going all over the place with your weak argument. Bill Cosby has been dropping knowledge at different colleges every year since the 80’s up through this year as well. This is all documented and easy to find. When was the last “condemnatory” speech you heard from him?!
           I don’t care if you agree with him ideologically or not, dude has enough love for his people to be brutally honest and hold a mirror to the face of those who want to hide behind excuses

         • But not brutally honest enough to talk about the systematic subjugation of Black lives in America?